But I charge not with a portable battery pack. Hoping to hear back shortly on what the deal is. Im very interested in what they will do with the next Instinct. Things Ive pondered. The end effect is a 50% reduction in brightness. They generally wont commit to talking about codebase pipelines. Required fields are marked.If you would like a profile picture, simply register at Gravatar, which works here on DCR and across the web. And, since Im a geekier person, Im interested to see how multi-band GPS will play out over the next year or two. I have held off of late because the accuracy issues in Fenix 6 series HR and GPS sensors made it seem silly to switch. Your youtube comparison of Epix 2 and Fenix 7 made me reconsider my original plan to go for 7x (upgrade from 5 plus) in favor of Epix 2. At first sight I would say that the touchscreen layer reduces the brightness, but on my touch-enabled Vivoactive 4 the brightness seems to be the same as the non-touch Fenix 6 so it normally cannot be this. link to techradar.com. The Fenix and Epix 10 ATM. Similarly, if youre sitting perfectly still reading a book, the display may turn off depending on how still you are. However, the downside for me is that I typically prefer a smaller/lighter watch, such as something in the Forerunner 745 range (my normal go-to). Thanks for the info. But for example, sitting here typing, it doesnt turn off (at least for me). Where its more important is charts, data graphs, maps, and anything where detail is needed So, lets look at that. Do you think its worth the move to the Epix model?

And I find when the Garmin platform flags a day to skip a workout with its warning-message, then its almost always correct. This is really important to me as Ive lost a lot of weight over the last 2.5 years and use the watch to provide feedback on calorie budget.

Said a different way, the Epix is a really deep watch for sports/navigation, that has some general smarts if it aligns to your platforms (e.g. Or do the epix and fenix 7 share the same default watch faces ( default I mean provided by Garmin).

The Fenix 7 Solar Sapphire: CPU 9.4 / 58.8 Pips, and Epix Sapphire: CPU 9.4 / 62.5 Pips both on Connect IQ 4.0.6 (software 7.20). My devices (5+, 830) give a Recovery Time, which I always ignore. Thanks for the response, Ray. I dont really need any of the Sapphire stuff and would rather save 100 but the only colour choice available for the non-sapphire Epix looks terrible in my opinion. Anyway, its nice to see that real life battery seems to exceed manufacturer claimsusually its the other way round. I havent seen those two units side by side, so not entirely sure there. 2) The Display Mode Variants: Lets start with the easy one. Weve seen Garmin since introduce specific guidelines around Connect IQ watch faces to be enabled in always-on mode, plus there are aspects like the sleep mode, dimming, and powering off after 60-seconds of non-movement. Because I like compartmentalized sectionsand lists. Plenty, according to your rules. Also, living in Australia, Solar might be quite useful! Thanks for the review. Just Getting A New Garmin Fenix 7 or Epix? To be clear, any bare-metal bezel will scratch, but its not nearly as apparent because the scratches are the same color as the surrounding metal. Great comparison, thanks. Also, back in the day a Suunto watch was supposed to last forever (or at least a really long time) and be a tool and not a disposable fashion statement. They are quite different in person, Garmins photos are just terrible for some reason. What about the strength and durability of the epix? Instead, deciding on a model is all about three sorta simple things: A) Size I mean, its great, especially the resolution is just AWESOME. Have you had a chance to play around with this? I have now a really old Fenix 3 and have some problems seeing some smaller parts on data fields. I also imagine hypothetically this means less frequency charging cycles, and Im assuming longer battery / device lifetime. In bright sunny sun on top of a volcano amidst desert-like lava fields, the AMOLED display is super bright and easy to read.

Do you have any thoughts on why Garmin didnt release an Epix 2s given that theyve already got the right sized screen in the Venu 2s?

All of which are designed to substantially reduce the chances of burn-in. Im not kidding. I cant imagine that viewing them side by side in a shop would have made the choice any easier. There is also the magic 50,000 number, does this mean in your 102 k video shot, it would be 102/50 so 2.04 or 2.04 out of the 3 hours they use as the out in the sun calculation to extend battery life from 28 days to 37 days. My Vivoactive 3 never had screen scratches so I should have thought of that and definitely the scuffs on silver bezel didnt stand out way when dark coating over silver is scratched. Is this something you could find time to try? Its a bad look. YMMV. The pins of the 7x are (user) removable. They havent changed since, despite Garmins firmware and efficiency getting better and better. My 7X sapphire arrived yesterday to replace my 5X. (and gummy bears rule the world of athletes nutrition, obviously). B) The Epix can display more data fields per page: On the Fenix 7 (middle unit), you can display 6 data fields per page, but the Epix can display 8 data fields per page.

D) Gets you 32GB of storage instead of 16GB: This is primarily for map usage (or music), but it also gets you pre-loaded maps for your region. With more pixels you can show more detail. Also, the Epix has a Sapphire option if youre extra concerned. Others have mentioned this as well-I also saw a pic on another watch forum of a nearly new one after it lost its lower left button. So when you go to the Solar Widget, and click the little info tab it states Lux hours are the accumulation of solar intensity throughout your day. Pry the battery off the back plate and unplug from the center board, plug new battery in and screw back plate on, done!. Well, Ive been thinking the same as Red Five for quite some time the text on your site is way too small on my 8 tablet screen. I also dont really need the vibrancy of the colors. Epic comparison, thanks. I never found it an issue in my workouts. Especially on the indoor trainer, it is WAY off (Iike by +/-30bpm), weirdly. In my case, Ive been using the units for almost two months, and often side by side. Sapphire on both Epix and Fenix 7 does four very specific things: A) Gets you Sapphire glass: This is more durable against scratches, but also has slightly dimmer visibility. Does one really need a military grade GPS. Within the Epix review, Ive included a few OWS, all of which have been very solid. I show how this works in the video up above. Out of the box the battery capacity should be more than capable for any activity I use it for. I would like to have a watch that I can use for swimming (besides running and cycling). Though, she is tempted with the Fenix 7S (but not the one I pictured above, she wants a different color specifically the Cream Gold Titanium with Light Sand Band). For as many people that want an S sized AMOLED unit, there are equally as many that want an X one. If I have 40% battery life and go outside for a run with the weather below 40F, the battery dies within 5 minutes. Im using it mounted on the handlebars, external HR connected, AOD (1/3 brightness), route/course loaded. My only disappointment so far (which would apply to the F7 as well) is that it has the same power connector that was introduced with the F5, which Ive never been a fan of. That alone could be a good reason to buy for some! A Edge 510 (second hand) have a maybe 5yrs service without notable battery decrease.

I have my display set for gesture based activation and it works very well. the Forerunner does not support mountaineering) supported by the Fenix 7 compared to the Epix 2. It wasnt really a big concern for me either way as those devices were just along for the ride, and I needed to be able to take photos of it easily for something else. Heres the Epix in sleep mode, once a button is pressed (I show the Fenix in sleep mode in the video too, as well as how to configure it). In terms of performance, I measured both watches using the Connect IQ Benchmarking tool, and the scores were very similar.

Ive seen the Epix2 and as you say the screen is awesome but I just cant get comfortable with the size. COROS is aiming to add support this spring. I recognise that software as well as hardware can cause battery issues. Id say its safe to basically just use the music line-item there on the battery charts, and then remove perhaps 5-10%. I have a silly-long and detailed post and video I need to wrap up on this quirky deep-dive. Now Im really torn between the 7 and the EPIX.

Please, could somebody confirm that the display is ALWAYS ON when during a workout? Whereas if it came back and said Ill be 50KM short on a 100KM race, then yeah, Id probably re-think things mid-race (especially if it had historically been accurate). Same. I read all three reviews (Fenix 7, Epix and this one) and you really helped me to choose the Epix. Ive being lurking here for a very long time and you helped me to make an informed decision on numerous occasions . Thanks. I think this is tied to the historical reality that they sell each of these regions as map packs. If Body Battery tells you you feel lousy when you feel great, youll ignore it. And I honestly cannot see a difference between these two color variants. Do you know for sure if the black Epix Sapphire Solar really has a DLC coating on the bezel? 7s 11 days UP to 26 days So far my first impressions are extremely favorable. These watches charge rather quickly, so the boost you can get in that time will likely be sufficient to finish the race. My wife has one and battery life is fantastic on her watch. So when will we see an EPIX X Plus (so I can use all of my size 26 bands I have for my Fenix 5X Plus? Hello, Or do they do such good testing of their hardware that they never have to do this? And that makes sense, theyve got the exact same optical HR sensor, the exact same GPS chipset, and the exact same size and case materials. I sometimes run mountain ultras or 200+ mile races that would require recharging the EPIX on the go. So for my use cases, Im in the Epix camp. I wonder whats the point? Hello Ray/anyone else, The possibility I most excited to see is an updated Garmin Forerunner 245 with even more advanced features added and the addition or option of an AMOLED screen. Oh, and you can sign-up for the newsletter here! Thanks. Thank you! So Ive got direct comparison data, including battery burn charts for long 7-hour activities, on how they actually handle the real world with all the features enabled. So in efforts to combat the amount of emails I need to sort through on a daily basis, Ive complied this My Photography Gear post for your curious minds! when zooming in/out from maps or trying to use routing? Yeah, live and learn I guess. I had some slight concerns about battery degradation particularly I experienced it quite badly with my old Edge 520 after just a couple of years where it would only last 4 hours. Honestly, we dont know yet. The full AOD watch faces seem to have more than 10% of the pixels enabled in the dim AOD mode. How do the Fenix 7 and the Epix screens compare (especially for readability) when working out at night/predawn darkness? Epix The Only Bear: This is identical to the middle Fenix 7 in size, at 47mm and 1.3 It simply cannot count and even worse it cannot display or save the results. Your email address will not be published. Like any other tool from shoes to nutrition, you practice ahead of race-day to see how well it works for you as an athlete. When I asked some developers if it would be possible to update their watch faces to the full display/dimmer version of the AOD (like the Garmin stock wf on Epix), they have said the CIQ restrictions limit the AOD mode to using less than 10% of pixels and not having the same pixel on for more than 3 minutes. Its far easier to read the crisper AMOLED. I use mine for weight training, rowing, but mostly cycling as a backup unit to my edge or karoo. I can loop back to him/them and see what may have changed in the last few months between initial announcement and production. Actually it is more complex problem. So here is the most up to date list of products I like and fit the bill for me and my training needs best! Hmm, thats odd. I suspect the map files are identical and its at the resolution/drawing level of the device where the changes show but it would be a good test nevertheless. Is this site censored? One thing , a bit off-topic, strikes me about the battery consumption graph during your ride: the karoo battery drainage and projected battery life. Yeah, Id like to see Garmin do better in the battery replacement arena. Rather each individual pixel has the ability to turn on/off. It can be divided into 3 parts in Garmin Express for a while (also for fenix 6, F945). Does the Fexix 7X also have the watch face flashlight mode, or only the new case lights? The Outdoors team thats over Fenix/Epix has done lockstep releases for almost every iteration.

I read the 2010 posting with the calculation methods. Does the Epix dim the screen using a light sensor to be appropriate? Great write-ups as always. Does this mean that the Fenix 7s cannot display 6 data fields per page, or that the 7X can display more? The screen looks pretty amazing on the Epix, but how is it for an exercise watch? Inversely though, the Suunto 7 has more smartwatch features than Garmin, depending on what platform youre on. Sincrement je sais pas laquelle prendre entre les deux . The button shoulders also a very big deal for those of us who wear gloves.

10 ATM: Can handle swimming, snorkeling, and maybe even scuba diving.. For example, Apple has flat-rate published prices for Apple Watch battery (out of warranty costs) per country. If you compare non-Sapphire to non-Sapphire, its a $200 difference between base models ($699 for Fenix vs $899 for Epix). Germans Garmin site for the Epix has Carbon Slate. Expanding the lifetime of your watch is definitely smart and also good for the environment.

Marq adventurer to an Epix and chose the silver/white Saphire version. I can almost get a whole edge 530 for that price and recently did.). For us, older with reading glasses (that is obviously left home when out jogging) is epic2 a better option than Fenix 7x? Battery drains in a day with no GPS activity. By default the Fenix 7 series uses a 20% backlight option, which of course you can increase to get it brighter. And yeah, Ive gotta imagine an error. Seems to me like it would be a perfect match with the Epix display.

For fun, you can try downloading the recent Epix beta build and see if it fixes the issue first in case its a software bug rather than a hardware thing: https://forums.garmin.com/outdoor-recreation/outdoor-recreation/f/epix-2/291426/epix-2software-version-8-15public-beta. In terms of potential for pixel burn-in on the Epix watch, I suspect were in a far better place than Garmin was with the original Venu (which uses a different display and a handful of people have seen burn-in issues). One thing to keep in mind is that right now, many watch faces wont qualify for AOD on Epix/Venu 2 Plus and will get stuffed back into Gesture mode, at least until developers ensure that they meet the CIQ rules for those devices. The battery life really appeals, but so does the AMOLED screen in the Epix! Most jewelry ships offer free battery replacement on high end watches. I used the Black Titanium Sapphire edition of the Epix (theres also a White Titanium), and its what you see throughout this review. Even if the core business of both watches is the same, I prefer a tool, not a toy. In screen recording it doesnt change the brightness recorded. Of course, its also hard to make out the clarity in a photo of a photo. Wanna create comparison chart graphs just like I do for GPS, heart rate, power meters and more? I have an iPhone 11 and I looked up the display type and it says Liquid Retina HD display. Cheers. The Epix actually has a lower dimness setting for sleep mode than regular mode. Has the screen improved enough over the 5X to not be an issue? My question is, Im not a hardcore endurance athlete. So if you compare like models Fenix 7 Solar Sapphire to Epix Sapphire, its a span of a $100 difference ($899 for Fenix 7 Solar Sapphire to $999 for Epix Sapphire). So that would mean to be safe I should get the Fenix or Epix with 10 ATM. However, there are other watch sites that claim 5 ATM is not sufficient for swimming: If we are going to be accurate with real world applications, then this means that anything below 10atm shouldnt be worn in the water to play it safe.

Ill definitely click your links when buying. I completely dont understand why there is no X without solar, its idiotic. Is epix 2 slower to Fenix7 when rendering maps because of higher resolution? (data fields etc.) Its kinda silly. If I were in the market for a new watch I would have a hard time choosing. Both options are here: link to suunto.com. Further, I dont mind dealing with charging roughly once a week for my typical workout usage. I sure would appreciate it. slate grey DLC titanium That doesnt seem to be the case on my Fenix 7 or Epix units. Also, the whit-on-black text during activity is less nice that the opposite, and especially the auto-dimming can be annoying at times. Meaning, I could easily significantly increase my estimated capacity further by not turning on all the features. Particularly GPS chipset; theyre all the same. I am pondering a purchase of either the epix or the fenix. I do not know if you can provide companies with feedback and understand why many would want you to buy new rather than keep the old operational (I guess there is always an element to ensure you eventually but new). That said, practically speaking, maybe that coating works the same. However, since thats not an option at the moment, Ill just sit here unable to make up my mind. This will properly display battery durations for devices from Garmin, Wahoo, Stages, and Hammerhead. Is anyone using a Fenix for running and a Wahoo on the bike? thanks as always for your detailed reviews and videos! Garmin failed to bring this highly anticipated feature to its top watches and now you pretend that nobody cares? C) Gets you Multi-band GPS: This is the new dual-frequency GPS, which theoretically is the holy grail of GPS accuracy. Smart Trainers Buyers Guide: Looking at a smart trainer this winter? While I dont wear my Apple Watch to bed, when I did a handful of times I did turn off the screen and it seems Garmin has a way to do this automatically by time of day so that would be useful. But I guess the EPIX could do well as long as the screen is mostly off. The Diamond-Like Coating isnt all that diamond-like. Very annoying! Now I just wonder if I should wait (and wait, and wait..) for the FR 955 or just stop waiting and get the Epix . You can also download things like YouTube Music, as well as Google contactless payments. Ill ask them on next volley. 10) Accuracy (GPS & HR): This one is easy theyre virtually identical. I got caught up a bit in excitement of new watch. I am not trying to complicate it, but I guess essentially, is it 150k LX multiplied by 28 days (4.2 million LX) to give you those additional 9 days of battery life to get you to 37 days of battery life for F7X or is what is showing in the widget (102k LX in your video) something completely different? Ps: je suis extrmement actif : course marathon- velo- natation ski de fond kitesurf activit de plein air randonne kayak- chasse au petit et gros gibier .. et mon mtier , policier. But its reasonably high on my list to understand if thats just a backlog to enable item on someones desk at Garmin (e.g. Have you noticed that?

I didnt know what the DLC was before. The CIQ benchmark scores show virtually identical values as well. The Carbon grey is more of a silvery gray, what Id call a sort of gunmetal type color. Is it possible to play with settings on epix2 with phone also during activity in progress? This is in line with a more sustainable planet and companies should be able to provide batteries for otherwise perfect functioning devices. (FYI, I dont like silver casing and grey bands so the regular editions of any of these models are not up for consideration). Seems that the Epix pins are not (user) removable? The Fitbit was much closer to the chest heart monitor I would wear when working out. So its annoying that the most desirable SKU (slate grey) is sapphire only. Thank you for the outstanding review and Fenix vs Epix reviews. As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases. But a safe average of an hour a day here in December. It arrived today and ALL of the buttons on the new 7 are mushy. Ok, hopefully this answers some questions when trying to choose. I swim, bike and run. Anyway, a very long post to say that a battery replacement blogpost from you could do a lot to influence the industry in a good direction and generate less waste! carbon grey DLC titanium Beta 8.18 which a Release candidate for the next version has still all these problems. battery life earned by solar today/last week/ last 30 days would be amazing! Have you noticed the buttons on the Fenix 7 arent as crisp as the 6? But overall: very happy with the Amoled display. While the Fenix 7 series is certainly easy to read in direct sun, its the less bright scenarios that the Epix really shines without having to utilize the backlight or change the backlight settings. I wonder what your thoughts are about AMOLED to be used in the future Forerunner 95? Bonjour Thanks as always for the great reviews and comparisons. Hmm, thats definitely high especially since I was getting better numbers with optical HR (which is a big battery draw), but also having course/route loaded too. Thank you for your awesome Epix/Fenix 7 comparative with so many details that I have not found in any other article. I feel like maybe manufacturing process for coatings is inconsistent or something, since on forums some people have great experience and others have problems like mine. Ray, thanks as always for the superb work. Ive seen some comments about reflections here and there on Reddit, but its not been something thats bothered me in real life (or that I even notice). Philip. Id say Garmin has made it very clear that AMOLED is their future here. It wont say Im off course because Im still following the course line in the wrong direction. Some reviews are over 60 pages long when printed out, with hundreds of photos! Ive been trying to buy a new battery for a while, but there is not an easy way of doing it (actually I cant find a way of doing it!). If yes, which version would you recommend, the Sapphire or the Normal? I am commenting in hopes you can put in a word with Garmin some time. But when I put the 7 Sapphire Solar next to an Epix, it was simply no longer an option to not choose the Epix. Out of interest where did you manage to get your Fenix 7 from? I need a g-d magnifying glass to read it, To increase website font Ctrl + The only thing holding me back from the EPIX is battery life. I have raster maps (GeoTiff) and vector maps of my country. Im looking at the epix as an upgrade from a 735XT. Thanks. well you would do UTMB etc. Whereas the Fenix series has no issues with burn-in. Also note that while the basis for my real-world comparison is Epix Sapphire vs Fenix 7 Solar Sapphire, that none of the items below change when going non-Sapphire, except that the non-Sapphire visibility is generally a little bit better (less dim). Personally, I dont really need 65.000 colors. We wont really know until someone tears down a unit (not my specialty I wouldnt know how to put it back together again). When I rotate it horizontally than it was ok. With the same glasses on Samsung it is ok, both vertical or horizontal way, but if I rotate the phone diagonall than it is worse. Certainly, if we look to a Fenix 8 or Fenix 9 series with continued battery optimization, there probably wont be a MIPS display option anymore itll be all AMOLED (or similar). I think the Epix is the way to go, thanks for your reviews! Im finding that its off like 75% of the time. Thanks Peter for sharing this info on Garmin glass durability. I used it one time, but I was only able to download 1 of the 3.

So positive, balanced and helpful Ray. hello, detailed as always, many thanks and really appreciate your work. The question is, with Fenix being the most valuable brand where does the Epix brand go. Maybe Im an outlier, but maybe there are many others in this camp. Yup, for UTMB Id probably go with the Fenix 7, or, be willing to carry a small lipstick battery charger (which wouldnt be ideal). However, Im in a state that is bright sun all the time. I will be happy if some one have any news when this will be fixed. Warmth and sun in February (andpeople)! Always my gripe with Apple Watch (daily charging, forgetting it, missing, missing a couple of hours of data.. Ive had non-sapphire Garmin watches.

I was extremely disappointed in the calorie count on the Fenix 6. Also I prefer the discretion the Fenix provides.

I assumed that was kinda obvious. I was thinking about if I went on a weeklong backpacking trip and brought a portable battery pack/charger, how long would it actually take to recharge either watch. 30 years ago a piece of equipment like the Ambit was spacetech and now we are happy to buy a new one every year or two. The one about readability of AMOLED screen in bright sunlight while wearing polarized glasses. After I introduced the Epix 2 wrist gesture and night mode the battery life increased to 16 days. Ive been struggling with decision between AMOLED or more Battery life with only a $100 difference between sapphire editions. Epix wins, because the backlight/display is crispier and brighter (at defaults). We could presume the same as your FR935, or my wifes Fenix 5S. I went with the 7X Sapphire Solar while the OLED was definitely compelling, and the battery life almost certainly sufficient for my needs (up to a 100km or thereabouts), I really wanted the reassurance of the sapphire. So programming will be also a new challenge, Hi, You see it in golf courses for example, as well as even ski resort/ski trail maps. Hey Ray, 3-6 weeks , the you will charge it anyway :], so i guess it is only the thing if you want or not want to save 100-200 EUR , Epix 2 is a must Fenix 7 is a alternative . I had a 5X years ago, but sent it back because of the shocking readability of the screen and the cumbersome navigation by button when not actually in a sport tracking mode. Ive sorted it all by world geography, in an attempt to make it easy to figure out where Ive been. Realistically theyd just have to tear-down a base-unit, not both units. Including the Fenix 7. Sorry to saybut you dont inderstand batterylife. Cheers! On the Fenix 6, I found that sapphire glass is more like half the visibility of gorilla glass in certain conditions. I guess it will be the same on Epix. Does anyone know how long it takes to charge either the Fenix 7 or Epix 2? Do you know if this is something Garmin actually does? A lot of people tried in already on Epix without success. I see what you all are talking about now. I mean, Epix also passes the Military Standard 810G Testing Standard 810G as Fnix does?? These posts generally take a lot of time to put together, so if you're shopping for the Garmin Fenix 7 Solar Sapphire or Garmin Epix Sapphire Black Titanium (Gen 2) or any other accessory items, please consider using the affiliate links below! Hi Ray, first of all, great review/comparison, as always . I wonder how much validity and practical value remain in measures like stamina and body battery that are derived from several model-based estimations.

As a Wear OS watch, theres far more mainstream apps that you can download to it. While yours is close to the dick-line, I think it resides more on the stupidity camp, thus, Im letting it stand for now. I see no scenario where most future Garmin Forerunner watches arent at least offered in AMOLED, if not entirely AMOLED. Does it actually have a Titanium case? A photo with the whole lineup would be the ultimate thing in this regard, agreed but a much more modest thing would already help quite a bit: could you please indicate which color-variants youve been using for your tests (the fenix-variants shown in your videos and photos)? How does the Epix compare to the Suunto 7? Hi Tom- Ive just moved to Aus from the UK. Maybe a stupid question but can I use a Fenix 7 default watch face (the black one that like to Fenix 6 face) on Epix watch? I cycle and do triathlons, nothing over a half-ironman, so multiple days of GPS are not necessary.

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